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    "Aid is an industry... and it's not the poor people who profit." [Bangladesh]

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    Below are my rough notes from a cool conversation last night with Khorshed Alam and Ripon Majumder, the directors of a think-tank here in Bangladesh called Alternative Movement for Resources and Freedom Society (AMRF). Very interesting insights. Much of what is said here is supported by other experiences and conversations I have had in developing countries. Enjoy and, as always, feel free to contact me if you'd like to discuss more.

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    Aid
    • Economic slavery, colonialism.
    • "Aid has made people and governments more dishonest, not less. They know what the NGOs want to hear and how to get their money."
    • "Aid is an Industry. Poverty is an industry. And it is not the poor people who profit."
    • "The guys here from the World Bank make $35,000... per month." In Bangladesh, that is off the charts.
    • "We don't need a single penny of Aid. We need our government and our people to take responsibility for themselves."
    • "Relief ruins people's potential! Don't ruin people's potential!" (note: disaster relief is different)
    Economics
    • "You use completely different economic principles when dealing with the developing world. What you are trying to do in Bangladesh would never work in the state of Arkansas, or any state."
    • anti-Keynes, used the phrase, "the Keynesian destruction of the economy."
    • "Production is key. Then distribution. It is important to both generate and distribute. Not just one or the other. But where distribution is not charity."
    Microfinance
    • "Microfinance may be a component, but it is not the quick and easy solution that everyone wants. People in the west, they always want a quick and simple solution."
    • Women who receive micro-loans: "Microfinance is one of the reasons we are poor." Some women practically starve trying to pay off debts.
    • Yunus and the microfinance institutions always lie about the interest rates. 
    • "In every study, it has been proven that the interest rates are 30-40%. Also, the installments set in place are completely unrealistic. It can't be done. Everything is designed for the microfinance institution to make money. And there is no monitoring of their activity to see if it is ethical." We just take them at their word.
    Muhammad Yunus
    • "Yunus never acknowledges the work of others. He claims that the idea for micro-finance came to him in a dream, when really it has been practiced for decades. I will admit he was the first to systematically bring it to the rural poor in Bangladesh."
    • "He says that microcredit is a human right. This is complete nonsense."
    • "He has done a lot of damage to Bangladesh. It will take us a long time to recover."
    NGO's
    • Very critical of BRAC. Operate in the nicest, most luxurious building in Dhaka.
    • Grameen and BRAC have questionable ties to questionable institutions.
    • "NGO is the main impediment to development."
    • NGOs jobs depend on perpetuating poverty.
    • "When I see an NGO with very good paperwork about all the amazing work they are doing, I know they are a fraud."
    • "Aid and NGO's encourage corruption. Even the the anti-corruption NGO's! They pay the bribes to get their projects funded and approved."
    Freedom
    • "Without freedom, people's capacity diminishes over time." Like atrophy.
    Well-Intentioned Western People
    • "I'm sure people are well-intentioned, but that is no excuse to be ignorant." 
    • "Poverty has become a form of entertainment for people in the West."
    • "What can people do? Well, first understand that doing nothing is better than doing something that harms someone else." Just so you can feel like you made a difference.
    • "Guilt is what drives people in the west." That is why they give even if they are hurting us. They give for themselves, not for others.
    Structure
    • "Poverty is a structural problem. Until we build a sound political economic structure, no country can develop."
    • Don't try to take responsibility for the poor. Help governments create structures that enable people to take responsibility for themselves."

     

    • 9 December 2010
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    over 1 year ago Michael Hennig (Facebook) responded:
    What are they saying about the Bengal Bouts aid? How much of the $100,000 goes directly to the poor? I am assuming the priests aren't over there making $35,000 per month. I figured that was the case with most microfinance companies tho...

    Also, I think we can take some of what is said here and apply it to our own country and its policies in regards to social policy and entitled services provided by the government. obviously, a whole different ball game but similar mentality.

    Keep up the posts. Hope things are goin well.

    over 1 year ago Mark Weber responded:
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    Great question. Sorry it's taken me so long to respond. I was out in the villages with no internet. Here are a some quick thoughts.

    First of all, these guys were more referring more to international government aid and giant NGOs. They do know Holy Cross though and HC is extremely well respected here, partially because Notre Dame College is widely considered the best school in the country. AMRF's critique is more directed toward government aid and big international NGO's, which are closely and sometimes furtively linked to governments; much of it doesn't apply to the Holy Cross efforts or other religious missionary institutions. A few examples: Holy Cross religious take a vow of poverty (i.e. no big salaries and therefore virtually no overhead)... their microcredit institutions DO have low interest rates and the goal really is to help the poor while simultaneously promoting fiscal responsibility... unlike a big international NGO where you have people in the West (namely, those paying the bills) making decisions and pulling all the strings, the Holy Cross leaders are all HERE and have lived here their entire lives; in fact, in the next ten years as the foreign missionaries die out, Holy Cross in Bangladesh will transition to 100% Bangladeshi leadership.

    Specifically to Bengal Bouts, I believe 100% does go directly to projects for the poor; the priests' and brothers' expenses are covered by endowments set up long ago.

    These notes certainly do not cover everything and there is a LOT of room for discussion, which is why I set up this blog in the first place :-)

    I'll be back in the States come January so give me a shout if you'd like to talk more.

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